( dead as a doornail. he did stiffen at the mention, but he thinks, if this is years later, who knows who's ruling when. so, he tries to push that instict of distrust and uneasiness. but, he does not, taking a sip.
he does make a face at that, though, an eyebrow angling for dominance. yeah, kids are. aren't they. but, again, this has been a good back and forth, so he's not rocking the boat, letting her finish her thought. )
All we knew, horsemen. Lilith. Witches. Demons. Yellow-eyes. ( He pauses. The obvious. ) Lucifer.
( the freeze in her so noticeable, and though they'd spoken about lucifer once before she'll never stop reacting just at his name: her heart stops for a moment, her hand fumbles with the glass that she'd just been about to pick up (luckily spilling nothing) and she has to make herself stop, pause, take a deep breath to get herself going again.
her fear could be being shouted across the room at how noticeable it is just from one name, except rowena tries to downplay it, tries to shrug it off. she looks away from him for a moment, trying to feel that grounding again and whilst rowena would love to tell dean that she hopes that bastard rots the words don't come. not those ones )
Well, you can make that list far longer. ( not him but-- )
Besides... my Hell-- ( this time her pause is for a different reason, if still difficult to her ) currently it has no ruler, just demons that tried scrabbling for it. And failed.
( nicely done, samuel. not that she knows the full details yet )
( if anyone knows about PTSD, it's a winchester. he clocks it immediately, but like he's going to say anything. should she spill anything, he'd refill. he can practically feel the lower temperature reverberating. )
Sorry.
( he can read between the lines of loss. no ruler. her kid. )
( she debates what to respond to for a moment, drinking a little and adding one thing )
It's one reason why I want to see him locked away again. Or dead.
( him. lucifer. the boys might have told her that fergus sacrificed himself for them, to save the world, but if lucifer hadn't been there it wouldn't have been necessary. and she also wouldn't have been killed that same period either.
but there's a very quick and obvious topic change because she does not want to talk about lucifer. or her son's death, something she still hasn't properly processed yet )
As far as anyone's been aware he's never been here. Hopefully that continues.
( okay, not exactly the topic change she'd intended but she's a little wound up )
which is why there's a lengthier pause as she drinks some more, head dipping slightly as she thinks )
I told Castiel that I wanted to see my son again. ( which is true, that is something that rowena very much wants ) But I don't wish to be here. If he were... I couldn't leave without him.
Something tells me you'd make it happen one way or another. ( for clarification's sake. ) This - Crowley, the king of Hell, we were all on the same side?
King of Hell. This wouldn't be like Disneyland for him? Or Club Med?
( it's a half-joke, and he keeps talking. )
Thriving, surviving, it's all the same. Living's a choice. Say what you want about the system, but if you follow it, you can make a life here. Maybe it's not the one you wanted or the one you think you deserve. But, it's what you do. You adapt. You live. He would, too. Sure he'd be happy you were here, too. Once he got past the sex circumstances.
( there's a slightly uncertain look but she lets it drop. rowena doesn't know if fergus would be happy to see her here, they'd only just started getting to a marginally better point in their relationship, but she'd like to try. she'd be happy to see him and she'd want to build something more there. after the sex circumstances )
Maybe you can show us how it's done then.
( a deflection. because hasn't rowena already made some of those points before? or had them made )
I know that here... I know what it means, what I could do. But I also have no wish to follow their system. Not to their full wishes.
( her head tips back up, looking directly at him, serious flowing through everything. and a touch of fear )
Iron cuffs may prevent a witch from casting a spell but they never hold a witch for long. ( rowena always manages to shake them ) The cuffs they have here... I couldn't feel that connection, it was as if I'd never touched magic. Even Castiel has felt them.
( there's such a distasteful look on her because she has no intention of experiencing that again. except rowena and playing by the rules isn't the best match )
They shouldn't be able to do that. To remove my magic, to make an angel feel human... and all it took were cuffs.
( magic is simpler for her, she knows and understands it but this would be a power she can't unpick, a spell she has no defence for. technology? )
If it's technology... I couldn't tell you about it. ( she could use what she'd learned but that was the extent of rowena's knowledge. she didn't understand anything more about it ) Magic has some basis. But it's too uncomfortable that it's possible... that they could make that choice permanent.
( there's a little interest in her expression at the mention. and dean knows that she's met gabriel, she'd mentioned that in their other conversation, but not many details.
so hearing more about what gabriel might have done? )
I've only heard stories of his acts. ( of the trickster, or his time as loki. that had been passed down. but he'd not been at full strength when she'd met him. even if she might have helped something )
Do I think it's possible? He kept Sam in a time loop where I died over a hundred times and then a year later trapped us both in his demented TV show game.
( both were about teaching them 'lessons', and yeah, he wielded power. )
If Cas can send me into the past and Zachariah can send Dean to the future then a lot's possible if something here has that power.
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Date: 2024-10-20 10:17 pm (UTC)he does make a face at that, though, an eyebrow angling for dominance. yeah, kids are. aren't they. but, again, this has been a good back and forth, so he's not rocking the boat, letting her finish her thought. )
All we knew, horsemen. Lilith. Witches. Demons. Yellow-eyes. ( He pauses. The obvious. ) Lucifer.
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Date: 2024-10-20 10:30 pm (UTC)her fear could be being shouted across the room at how noticeable it is just from one name, except rowena tries to downplay it, tries to shrug it off. she looks away from him for a moment, trying to feel that grounding again and whilst rowena would love to tell dean that she hopes that bastard rots the words don't come. not those ones )
Well, you can make that list far longer. ( not him but-- )
Besides... my Hell-- ( this time her pause is for a different reason, if still difficult to her ) currently it has no ruler, just demons that tried scrabbling for it. And failed.
( nicely done, samuel. not that she knows the full details yet )
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Date: 2024-10-20 10:36 pm (UTC)Sorry.
( he can read between the lines of loss. no ruler. her kid. )
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Date: 2024-10-20 10:47 pm (UTC)It's one reason why I want to see him locked away again. Or dead.
( him. lucifer. the boys might have told her that fergus sacrificed himself for them, to save the world, but if lucifer hadn't been there it wouldn't have been necessary. and she also wouldn't have been killed that same period either.
but there's a very quick and obvious topic change because she does not want to talk about lucifer. or her son's death, something she still hasn't properly processed yet )
As far as anyone's been aware he's never been here. Hopefully that continues.
( okay, not exactly the topic change she'd intended but she's a little wound up )
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Date: 2024-10-20 10:51 pm (UTC)Yeah? You don't want him here? Is it all the sex?
( welcome to the more blunt Dean. )
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Date: 2024-10-21 02:23 pm (UTC)I don't ever want to see him. Nor should anyone here have to experience him either.
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Date: 2024-10-23 03:44 pm (UTC)( he's the president, vice president, secretary, chair, judge, jury, and executioner. )
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Date: 2024-10-23 03:57 pm (UTC)which is why there's a lengthier pause as she drinks some more, head dipping slightly as she thinks )
I told Castiel that I wanted to see my son again. ( which is true, that is something that rowena very much wants ) But I don't wish to be here. If he were... I couldn't leave without him.
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Date: 2024-10-23 04:25 pm (UTC)Something tells me you'd make it happen one way or another. ( for clarification's sake. ) This - Crowley, the king of Hell, we were all on the same side?
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Date: 2024-10-23 04:28 pm (UTC)I tried to kill you once, thought you'd made him soft, a weak ruler.
( and then rowena had slowly accepted the power of friendship. sam to start, dean slowly building )
But... he sacrificed himself for you. To stop Lucifer but... for you. For the world.
( and he'd certainly helped the boys out on other moments. he was dean's best friend )
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Date: 2024-10-23 04:36 pm (UTC)People really need to stop dying for us.
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Date: 2024-10-23 04:39 pm (UTC)On this one I would agree.
( she doesn't know how many others have )
Here though... he would thrive. Even if this isn't what he'd want. Or what I'd want for him.
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Date: 2024-10-23 04:42 pm (UTC)( it's a half-joke, and he keeps talking. )
Thriving, surviving, it's all the same. Living's a choice. Say what you want about the system, but if you follow it, you can make a life here. Maybe it's not the one you wanted or the one you think you deserve. But, it's what you do. You adapt. You live. He would, too. Sure he'd be happy you were here, too. Once he got past the sex circumstances.
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Date: 2024-10-23 04:46 pm (UTC)Maybe you can show us how it's done then.
( a deflection. because hasn't rowena already made some of those points before? or had them made )
I know that here... I know what it means, what I could do. But I also have no wish to follow their system. Not to their full wishes.
( there were parts she certainly enjoyed )
Would you?
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Date: 2024-10-23 04:49 pm (UTC)I don't know. I haven't seen the bad yet. Heard about it. I know it gets hairy. If I see it firsthand. For now.
( he shrugs. )
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Date: 2024-10-23 04:53 pm (UTC)They removed my magic.
( her head tips back up, looking directly at him, serious flowing through everything. and a touch of fear )
Iron cuffs may prevent a witch from casting a spell but they never hold a witch for long. ( rowena always manages to shake them ) The cuffs they have here... I couldn't feel that connection, it was as if I'd never touched magic. Even Castiel has felt them.
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Date: 2024-10-24 03:51 am (UTC)( abilities. magic. they can nullify. )
So, they nerfed you. How long?
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Date: 2024-10-24 04:04 am (UTC)( there's such a distasteful look on her because she has no intention of experiencing that again. except rowena and playing by the rules isn't the best match )
They shouldn't be able to do that. To remove my magic, to make an angel feel human... and all it took were cuffs.
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Date: 2024-10-24 04:29 am (UTC)( she's right. they shouldn't be able to. but he knows there are threats out there that could strip rowena - even cas - for good. they have. )
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Date: 2024-10-24 06:30 pm (UTC)( something more powerful. she doesn't want to say god-like but... there are few things that can take herself or castiel down )
Some believe it isn't magic but technology.
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Date: 2024-10-25 04:33 am (UTC)( would that make more sense? )
What do you believe?
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Date: 2024-10-25 05:18 am (UTC)( magic is simpler for her, she knows and understands it but this would be a power she can't unpick, a spell she has no defence for. technology? )
If it's technology... I couldn't tell you about it. ( she could use what she'd learned but that was the extent of rowena's knowledge. she didn't understand anything more about it ) Magic has some basis. But it's too uncomfortable that it's possible... that they could make that choice permanent.
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Date: 2024-10-25 05:11 pm (UTC)( which, count him happy about that. wouldn't that be freaky. killer robot. )
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Date: 2024-10-25 05:17 pm (UTC)so hearing more about what gabriel might have done? )
I've only heard stories of his acts. ( of the trickster, or his time as loki. that had been passed down. but he'd not been at full strength when she'd met him. even if she might have helped something )
But... if you think it's possible then perhaps.
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Date: 2024-10-25 10:58 pm (UTC)( both were about teaching them 'lessons', and yeah, he wielded power. )
If Cas can send me into the past and Zachariah can send Dean to the future then a lot's possible if something here has that power.
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